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I don't need to lay into the scumbags responsible. Anyone reading this will know what worthless animals they are. My point was that a large part of the situation getting so bad rests squarely on the shoulders of those who allow them to indulge in this behaviour by doing nothing. Either due to being self-absorbed or cowardly or both.

No offence, but clearly you share the same mentality. How are you comfortable with this, given that all those who share it will have little or no conscience about doing nothing if you ever got attacked and needed their help? Even in a crowded street? Being surrounded by people pretending you don't even exist when you needed them most?

It's happening right now.

I've felt scared and saw flashes of my getting stabbed or killed in similar situations, but yes, I have stood up for myself, and I have stepped in for others.

This included at Stratford station a couple of years ago when a gang of about 8 hoddie teens were harrassing a lone woman. This resulted in me getting followed and stared at on the train, followed off at my station, and surrounded by them in the street. I stood my ground and they walked off.

Anyway, there were three yobs involved. If someone wasn't inclined to batter them, they could've at least left the carriage (and into another) to discreetly call the police and/or warn the driver.

Think on that.

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it's interesting how you lay into your innocent fellow passengers, instead of the scum attackers.
did it cross your mind that maybe the passengers in the old guy's carriage were outnumbered by the yobs? that maybe they were too intimidated by them?
don't you think that perhaps the yobs had weapons like knives to threaten with?
hmmm...after all you weren't there. you were in another carriage.
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